Shure M75

mannitheear escreveu:

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After these two changes I got from the M75 all I missed before: power, slam and openness without aggressivity, delicate tonal colours, a taut and deep bass and a BIG sonic stage.

Please, forget all I wrote last evening: the M75 is a fabulous sounding cartridge. Listening to one well known record after the other this evening I'm sure I could get happy with it!

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Cheers - and a happy new year 2014!!!!

Hi Man! Cheers from Portugal   , and i'm happy that you've found the way to the M75 SOUND!!!

I'm writing with a 'fucking' Android tablet' and its painfull to align some words!!! But...

Happy New Year / Feliz Ano Novo 2014  

António José da Silva escreveu:

...A great cart that CNeves and TD-124 had the "courage"  to present to the MC world.  

It's not a question of 'courage'... ... but a question of 'taste'   

Ate +

António José da Silva escreveu:

The only thing I was missing, was a better sense of detail that I experience with my Yamamoto, but this could be down to the conicle shape of the stylus.

..  the reason for "missing sense of detail" could perhaps lie in the different phono pre, too.  

I had initially the same impression, but then heard things clearly, I never heard before! On "Stille Nacht" of "Cantate Domino" it was obvious, that the choir was not native german speaking because they pronounce the character "ch" more deeply in the throat than german singers would do. I heard that song many times but this detail never cought my attention. And while the sonic stage seemed not so deep than with the MCs, the direct sound was very well seperated from the reverberant sound.

TD124 escreveu:

Hi Man! Cheers from Portugal   , and i'm happy that you've found the way to the M75 SOUND!!!

I'm writing with a 'fucking' Android tablet' and its painfull to align some words!!! But...

Happy New Year / Feliz Ano Novo 2014  

Yes, I am very happy for the experience that after some frustration the M75 works now so good. Experience is better than believing! In german forums there are some MM fans, but even there the M75 is regarded widely as "medium" class cartridge - which it is not! So your mention of M75 as cartridge for a lifetime is quite unique.

Since yesterday I play the Ed Saunders needle which seems to need a little time to break in.

Cheers

Dear Mannitheear


Sorry for my late answer.

Last weak, same Forum friends and me went to Santarem and Abrantes to hear same members systems.

In Abrantes I have remembered one of best sounds I have ever heard: it comes from a vintage JBL speakers.  

In fact, vintage JBL speakers, put an emotion on sound, that everything else is monotonous.

I’m saying a big truth.

I compare JBL vintage speakers to a good MM turntable cartridge.   

A good MM put an emotion on sound that the most expensive MC cartridge never arrives.   

MC cartridges are much, much, much,……….,much, more expensive;   

More: a good MC cartridges to work properly,  needs, much, much, much, much,……….,much, more expensive turntables, phono stages and so on.

and so,  


MC cartridges are more much appealing than MM, to people that makes money with HI-FI .   



HI-FI sellers, brands people, magazines and so on always says: MC are better.

They are not independent: have big interest in selling expensive equipment.   

And people believe and says also: “MC are only way to ear HI-Fi- music.”


HI-FI sellers have invented a word to fight back MM emotional superiority: “detail”.


Untruth: “detail” is only a word to devalue emotion that comes from a good MM cartridges properly settle.

In a good MM cartridges all detail that you find in a MC one are there; but there are also a lot of emotion.   

And unfortunately MC cartridges have not emotion.  

And that is pure reality in MM and MC cartridges.

MC cartridges have a lot less than good MM cartridges.   


Good auditions

CNeves escreveu:

Dear Mannitheear

In Abrantes I have remembered one of best sounds I have ever heard: it comes from a vintage JBL speakers.  

Do not omit the fact that the sound we eard was delivered by a Lyra Dorian...
  

And a CD   

And if you connect a batteries radio; sound with be also emotional.   

If system, have a MM cartridge; emotion in sound would be double.   

You double enjoy it.   

Good auditions

CNeves escreveu:

Dear Mannitheear


Sorry for my late answer.

Last weak, same Forum friends and me went to Santarem and Abrantes to hear same members systems.

In Abrantes I have remembered one of best sounds I have ever heard: it comes from a vintage JBL speakers.  

In fact, vintage JBL speakers, put an emotion on sound, that everything else is monotonous.

I’m saying a big truth.

I compare JBL vintage speakers to a good MM turntable cartridge.   

A good MM put an emotion on sound that the most expensive MC cartridge never arrives.   

MC cartridges are much, much, much,……….,much, more expensive;   

More: a good MC cartridges to work properly,  needs, much, much, much, much,……….,much, more expensive turntables, phono stages and so on.

and so,  


MC cartridges are more much appealing than MM, to people that makes money with HI-FI .   



HI-FI sellers, brands people, magazines and so on always says: MC are better.

They are not independent: have big interest in selling expensive equipment.   

And people believe and says also: “MC are only way to ear HI-Fi- music.”


HI-FI sellers have invented a word to fight back MM emotional superiority: “detail”.


Untruth: “detail” is only a word to devalue emotion that comes from a good MM cartridges properly settle.

In a good MM cartridges all detail that you find in a MC one are there; but there are also a lot of emotion.   

And unfortunately MC cartridges have not emotion.  

And that is pure reality in MM and MC cartridges.

MC cartridges have a lot less than good MM cartridges.   


Good auditions

Dear Manfred.


Just to let you know, that CNeves, TD124 and myself, spend (today) all afternoon drinking good quality wine an whisky, and I think that Mr. César (that's his real name), is still writing under the influence of the nectar of the Gods....  

Mr President

Speak for yourself: your words maybe are with a bit of influence: not much influence for sure, but some.   


My words had been written before lunch: I was writing when you arrive.  

So, what I had said is pure true; and you sure, without influence, would have mine opinion.  


Good auditions

CNeves escreveu:

My words had been written before lunch.

You shouldn't drink before lunch time, shame on you....   

Good answer for sure: as always.

But import point: what I have said is true; and I'm sure that in same time you arrive to same conclusion.

Good auditions

CNeves escreveu:

Good answer for sure: as always.

But import point: what I have said is true; and I'm sure that in same time you arrive to same conclusion.

Good auditions

I know that your a right in your conclusions in terms of "sound-per-pound". But next time I'm in the country, you will be invited to eat nice fresh fish and listen to the majestic sound of my system.  

And after same time we are with a glace in our hands agreeing with everything the other said.  

Good auditions

You're about to agree in the lengt of your wieners...

 

Milton escreveu:

You're about to agree in the lengt of your wieners...

 

I don't know what is a "wieners", but my willy is definitely longer.   

António José da Silva escreveu:

Milton escreveu:

You're about to agree in the lengt of your wieners...

 

I don't know what is a "wieners", but my willy is definitely longer.   

wiener is longer than willy....yanke "grandeur"...  

António José da Silva escreveu:

Milton escreveu:

You're about to agree in the lengt of your wieners...

 

I don't know what is a "wieners", but my willy is definitely longer.   

Wiener-Schnitzel, em versão gourmet!? ...
  

 

Vocês devem estar a falar admistrês.   

Boas audições

The most true and beautiful sentence ever written in this Forum:

" In Abrantes I have remembered one of best sounds I have ever heard: it comes from a vintage JBL speakers. "


           

Só quatro bonecos, amigo Duarte Rosa?!?

A frase merecia pelo menos quatrocentos bonecos da sua parte.  

Boas audições

Hi,
I'm back now, after dinner in Cascais and 'couple affairs'!!!
I'm glad that Manfred found the light, cos it seems that AJS is definitely lost between the ethereal shadow!!!
I've spent an excellent afternoon, and i'll coment since my return in France!!!
Cheers  

Hope you had real stuff Single Malt Whisky!

mannitheear escreveu:

Hope you had real stuff Single Malt Whisky!

We had lots of lots of things.   

Dear Mannitheear

No Malt Whisky; only ordinary Jameson   

Gin the same: ordinary one.   

But wines are the best you could drink.   

AJS, TD124 and my friend Bernardo, had take best of best in wines.   

I assure you, we had enjoyed it.   

Good auditions

And the food provided by our generous host was magnificent. The only problem was the sound of the system every time he selected a turntable with a MM cartridge.   

Friend AJS

I invite you no more   , unless you say MM cartridges are the ones       .

My food is only for delicate palates and ears.   


Good audition

CNeves escreveu:

Friend AJS

I invite you no more   , unless you say MM cartridges are the ones       .

In all the constantly growing Universe, the MM cartridges are the only true and beautiful way to listen to our precious vinyl.

  

I understand: Portuguese wine is not so well-known outside Portugal because the residents drink it all themselves...

  

mannitheear escreveu:

I understand: Portuguese wine is not so well-known outside Portugal because the residents drink it all themselves...

  

It's far to good to give it away to foreigners....  

There are still today manufacturers of speakers which deliver the strengths of vintage speakers and provide true hifi too, for example Tannoy.

I do not like the term "emotionally" very much, but I suppose it means that music can touch directly the heart and the soul and evokes deep feelings.

It may sound hairsplitting but I found it very valuable to distiguish between feelings (or sensations) and emotions.

Feelings or sensations are that what can be felt directly, while emotions means literally our rating or reaction on that what occurs and is influenced by education, society etc.

mannitheear escreveu:

There are still today manufacturers of speakers which deliver the strengths of vintage speakers and provide true hifi too, for example Tannoy.

I Thing that you can add the Aerial Acoustics 8 to that lot. I describe it as follow. The emotion of certain vintage speakers with all the musicality, warmth and easy listening for hours, but without the drawbacks of many of the old topologies in therms of lossy and not very accurate bass or a too excessive mellow sound presentation.

Não se pode vir ao forum que não se entre logo em despesas, acham que esta shure casa bem com o TD 318? Depois as afinações é que vão ser elas não percebo nada de pesos anti-skating e outros complementos para se conseguir extraír o melhor som, quando ela chegar agradeço a preciosa ajuda dos conhecedores da matéria...

frias escreveu:

Não se pode vir ao forum que não se entre logo em despesas, acham que esta shure casa bem com o TD 318? Depois as afinações é que vão ser elas não percebo nada de pesos anti-skating e outros complementos para se conseguir extraír o melhor som, quando ela chegar agradeço a preciosa ajuda dos conhecedores da matéria...

Acho que vais gostar bastante do resultado.   

mannitheear escreveu:

... ...
Feelings or sensations are that what can be felt directly, while emotions means literally our rating or reaction on that what occurs and is influenced by education, society etc.

And prejudice most of the time affects and convoys to a less realistic and truthfull evaluation! ...
  

But take in account that just on these days, down here, had been narrowed the alchool limits for driving matters!! ...
Such a measure should be taken also for all of you hearing gurus for the analogical nirvanas! ...
     

After such an intoxication     ( you refer openly to the situation, not me    ) one should restrain such feelings/emotions! ...

  

 

Olá
Ainda não chegou a agulha do Ed Saunders mas já houve uma mudança que melhorou em muito o desempenho da M75, coloquei uns cabos novos da Ortofon na Shell e houve uma garnde transformação para melhor no detelhe.





Fredie

António José da Silva escreveu:

frias escreveu:

Não se pode vir ao forum que não se entre logo em despesas, acham que esta shure casa bem com o TD 318? Depois as afinações é que vão ser elas não percebo nada de pesos anti-skating e outros complementos para se conseguir extraír o melhor som, quando ela chegar agradeço a preciosa ajuda dos conhecedores da matéria...

Acho que vais gostar bastante do resultado.   

Já chegou completamente nova com agulha original, ainda não tive oportunidade da montar no Thorens 318.

Vamos ver se tudo corre bem.

frias escreveu:

Vamos ver se tudo corre bem.

Ficamos a aguardar com expectativa.   

fredy escreveu:

Olá
Ainda não chegou a agulha do Ed Saunders mas já houve uma mudança que melhorou em muito o desempenho da M75, coloquei uns cabos novos da Ortofon na Shell e houve uma garnde transformação para melhor no detelhe.





Fredie

As minhas também não chegam, não sei se vêm ou não!?...
  

As da Jico disseram que saíam a 17/1? ...
  

  

 
Esta foto está divinal.
Parece um tipo que passou a noite nos copos e aterra de manhã na firma onde "trabalha".


Situação que cada vez é mais rara!
 

 
Caro Paulo (TD124), reparei que tem uma M97xE no SME. Em que condições é que estáva a usar a M97xE; carga e capacidade?
A agulha é a original manhosa ou a Jico SAS?
Tenho a minha M97xE em repouso. No activo rodei-a a 75KOhms e a 250pf +120pf aprox. dos cabos.
Neste momento tenho a velha Ortofon VMS20E MkII a retomar a rodagem após uma mumificação de 15 anos. Começou a rodar a75KOhms e com uma capacidade baixa de 100pF, mas com a retoma de atividade fui ajustando a carga até os 47KOhms e a capacidade pode jogar entre os 360pF ou 250pF + cabos, dependendo do LP.
A VMS20E MkII tem pior isolamento às vibrações e ao "hum" que a M97xE no Project Xpression II.
O som é mais projectado e aparentemente dinâmico, tem uma largura de palco um poucaxito mais extensa que a M97xE. Continua a pecar por uma banda media alta e agudo com toque "viperino" em alguns Lps. Faz parecer que tem um som mais antigo que a M97xE, mas estou a obter resultados superiores no IGD, por sorte na afinação devido ao formato "Euclideano" ou devido à qualidade da agulha.
Há mais alguém que usou a variante Jico SAS na M97xE?
É que a SAS tem um magneto mais potente e um "cantilever" mais elaborado, pelo que vendem na descrição. Assim já deve pedalar bem a 47KOhms!

  
Inté

Ói!  Ói!!

O Tomoko Tani-san da Jico escreveu-me hoje a dizer que botou as minhas agulhas no Correio ontem! ...
  

Vamos lá a ver quando aparecem e se chegam sem Alfândega!? ...
  

 

As minhas vêem no dia 21! Hehe, obrigado AJS!   

Tambem estou para ver o que espera na alfândega, parece que eles andam famintos...

Doug escreveu:

As minhas vêem no dia 21! Hehe, obrigado AJS!   

Tambem estou para ver o que espera na alfândega, parece que eles andam famintos...

Podes preparar uns 25 euros. Eu quando mandei vir a SAS para a minha Shure V15III, ela na altura custou 100usd e eu paguei 36.   

Tou a ver tou, agora e so rezar para que aquilo escape. Nao sabia que tinhas uma sas para a v15. Notaste melhorias significativas para a original?

Doug escreveu:

Tou a ver tou, agora e so rezar para que aquilo escape. Nao sabia que tinhas uma sas para a v15. Notaste melhorias significativas para a original?

Tive em tempos. As agulhas deles são muito boas. Não notei na altura grande diferença, porque uma das agulhas originais da Shure era a topo de gama deles e já de si boa.

Caros amigos

Estou farto de mandar vir agulhas do Japão e dos EU e ainda não paguei um chavo de alfândega.   

Os amigos devem ter andado metidos com alguma flausina dos CTT ou da alfândega; e vai daí ela está a vingar-se.   

Boas audições

Já consegui um tempinho para montar a M75 no Thorens, depois de algumas tentativas lá a consegui colocar na posição ideal , toca a passar à audição que já estava em fungas para ouvir se era verdade o que dizem dela aqui no sit, não estou nada desiludido depois de mais uns afinações no peso e aí está ela com um som limpinho sem hummm de fundo em ambos os canais quase a meio do amplificador, penso que ainda tocou muito pouco para já estar no seu melhor, mas para já na gama de graves já me fez descer dois pontos no amplificador, porque era aqui que eu notava alguma falta na Ortofon 510.

Lá tenho que ir outra vez ouvir os vinis todos para fazer comparações pelo menos aqueles que são mais do meu agrado tanto em qualidade de gravação como qualidade musical.

Tenho tambem que ouvir alguns mais manhosos para ver se esta agulha os faz realmente melhorar.

Assim haja tempo para isso.

Boas Frias, essa é a versão cónica não é? qual o valor do peso que estas a usar?

Doug escreveu:

Boas Frias, essa é a versão cónica não é? qual  o valor do peso que estas a usar?

Mais ou menos 5 gramas penso que sim que é a conica.

Caros amigos

Façam lá o favor de ir á Cartridge Database e ver o traking recomendado.  

Lembro que há agulhas cónica a fazer o tracking a 0,5g.

Boas audições

António José da Silva escreveu:

Doug escreveu:

Tou a ver tou, agora e so rezar para que aquilo escape. Nao sabia que tinhas uma sas para a v15. Notaste melhorias significativas para a original?

Tive em tempos. As agulhas deles são muito boas. Não notei na altura grande diferença, porque uma das agulhas originais da Shure era a topo de gama deles e já de si boa.

E agora!? ... 
 

O que vou fazer com o ...

  
  

 

 
Carissínos, qual o caminho para encomendar as agulhas à Jico?